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A ‘bunch of lies’

January 15, 2013

A ‘bunch of lies’ To the editor: Pick up a newspaper or turn on the TV and all you hear or read are a bunch of lies. Obama said that our taxes will not go up one dime....

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WBL947

Jan-15-13 8:33 AM

According to the FBI Uniform Crime Report, between 2006 and 2010 47,856 people were murdered in the U.S. by firearms, more than twice as many as were killed by all other means combined. Bud, your gun will not be taken away. There is no legislation or even talk of confiscating weapons like yours. There are many scare tactics being used by some NRA people. If you are looking for lies fact check the NRA statements. Congratulations on your taxes, too many people do not earn enough to have that privilege.

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rangeral

Jan-15-13 9:22 AM

wbl - Bud has it right on. I do not recall you ever saying you wanted to pay more taxes. You are in the minority when it comes to paying more taxes.

You also may want to distinguish who has legal possession of firearms and who doesn't when you quote the death statistics.

I am also for locking up anyone who has a restraining order - will cut down on the killings immediately.

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rona45

Jan-15-13 10:16 AM

This whole administration has been elected and appointed by lies, selective law enforcement and the like. When they can't defend a lie it is change the subject or divert everyones attention to something else. Another subject; When the gov has money to put a armed guard in the Social Security Offices I think they could afford one at a school or ask a unemployed vet if he would donate one day a week doing it.

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monkeyman5

Jan-15-13 11:37 AM

rona- about paying for armed guards in schools vs. SS offices. The number of SS offices is somewhere in the low 1300's. As far as I could find, there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 130,000 public and private schools. So take the number the U.S. spends on a guard at the SS offices and add 2 zeroes to find the cost to do that for schools. Not cheap...

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FreeRide

Jan-15-13 12:04 PM

Your Taxes went up because the “Payroll Tax Holiday” ended. It was both parties that let that issue expire. Unless you are making upwards of $400,000 your tax rate has gone unchanged. And just so you are all aware Medicare & Social Security are considered Big Government Entitlement Programs so when you’re willing to take large cuts to those programs then you can complain about your taxes going up. On that same day of Sandy Hook when 22 people were stabbed in China go see how many of those people were killed, 0. If all you watch is F.O.X News you shouldn't write letters to the editor.

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rona45

Jan-15-13 1:23 PM

I should have offered the suggestion that the guard in the SS office could split his time spent on the job by working half days at a school. Really what is the point of having a armed guard in the SS office anyway as I don't think they deal in cash. Maybe a elderly person is more of a threat then a younger person?

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rangeral

Jan-15-13 1:24 PM

free ride - Obama's hometown of Chicago has the worst murder rate in the country, the strictest gun laws - and yet there are over 500 gun murders a year there. The issue is the drug gangs, which he refuses to address. So let's give him a task - clean up Chicago and get their murder rate down to less than a 100 a year, and then others may want to listen. right now it is do as I say not do as I do. His kids go to the same school as David Gregory's and they have 11 armed guards there, in addition to the Secret Service guards.

Much of the fiscal mess in Illinois happened while Obama was a state senator, so why would we expect him to have an idea on sound fiscal management at the federal level? He keeps proving that his Illinois experience makes him inept in managing a federal budget.

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Vaughn

Jan-15-13 3:04 PM

Huh! Rangeral claims "over 500 gun murders a year" in Chicago, while Mr. Payne claims "503 killed with a gun". Mr. Payne's implication is he is talking about the entire nation. It seems Rangeral and Mr. Payne disagree on the facts. One wonders, why did neither cite a source for his respective "fact"?

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rangeral

Jan-15-13 3:38 PM

Chicago Tribune, January 2, 2013. Online version, vaughn.

Next question?

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FreeRide

Jan-15-13 3:43 PM

Rangeral/Fox Fanatic, No Chicago dose not have the highest murder rate, depending on what source you look it is in the 7-10 range. Yes there was a spike in murders in the city during the summer and in the rate per-capita is still less than cities like Baltimore and New Orleans. One again, I didn’t have to look that hard to find the information, just not Fox or Wikipedia. annual deaths resulting from firearms 2011: 32,163 annual firearm homicides total 2011: 11,101 Health and Human Services, Centers for Disease Control Prevention, Division of Vital Statistics And blaming one state senator entirety of a budget crisis in Illinois? Really? Well then what state senator are you going to blame for the shortfalls in the Minnesota State House? I enjoy a good argument, but please be informed when you make an argument.

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rangeral

Jan-15-13 5:26 PM

free ride - you must have missed all the reading comprehension courses while you were in school. Either that or you are making stuff up, just like hartman and really.

Per capita doesn't mean much if you are the dead person.

Again, I gave a body count and didn't say anything about per capita.

In your example, then Newtown would be the murder capital of the US.

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Wiblemo

Jan-15-13 6:12 PM

The debate about gun control is not about taking all guns away and stopping all gun-related homocides. It's about strengthening regulations and keeping extremely lethal guns off the streets. It's a matter of lethality. Guns designed to fire 100 rounds in a minute and mow people down do not belong in the hands of ordinary people. Nothing will stop all gun-related violence, but restricting access to highly lethal guns would reduce the number of deaths and massacres. Adam Lanza's mother legally owned the Bushmaster he used to kill 27 people. If she was not allowed to have that gun, he would not have had access and the massacre could very well have been averted.

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traveler

Jan-15-13 6:33 PM

Al, is it dark down there?

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rangeral

Jan-15-13 6:37 PM

wiblemo - the decision as to what type of gun to own should be the person who buys the gun, not the government. You are putting yourself in the position of decision maker for others about whom you have no information.

For personal protection in my home and on the road I want a semi-automatic with what I determine is the appropriate clip size.

If you don't want a gun or a certain type of gun, then that is your decision.

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commonman

Jan-15-13 6:51 PM

Al, wrong. Simp;y put, we can't trust the gun buyer to buy whatever kind of gun he/she wants. There are too many inept, incapable, untrustworthy people out there. If you need more than 5 or six rounds to hit your target, your gun should be taken away

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rangeral

Jan-15-13 6:54 PM

Could be "targets", common. Big dogs and the right weapons are the key to your personal safety in the short run.

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commonman

Jan-15-13 6:57 PM

Al, by the way, your argument about the government making the decision for others could be applied to abortion laws as well. So which way do you want it?

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Pirate

Jan-15-13 7:39 PM

Bud - You forgot "I'm not going to take your guns" - O

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WBL947

Jan-15-13 8:35 PM

Ranger: "wbl - Bud has it right on. I do not recall you ever saying you wanted to pay more taxes. You are in the minority when it comes to paying more taxes." What???

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ProdigalSon

Jan-15-13 8:58 PM

"Guns designed to fire 100 rounds in a minute and mow people down do not belong in the hands of ordinary people."~Wiblemo

"Lanza's mother legally owned the Bushmaster he used to kill 27 people. If she was not allowed to have that gun, he would not have had access and the massacre could very well have been averted."~ Wiblemo

Let's sort the wheat from the chafe.

The official Bushmaster XM15 manual lists the maximum effective rate of fire at 45 rounds per minute.

Lanza's intent that day could have been accomplished with any common duck or pheasant shotgun, or .22 rim fire rifle. A typical 12 gauge 00 buckshot shell contains nine pellets of roughly .33 caliber ball.

Lanza didn't have a full auto firearm, nor did anyone else in these school shootings.

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traveler

Jan-15-13 9:43 PM

Prod, You know it all. But you ever get hit with a round fired from a Bushmaster? You ever watched someone splatter when getting with one? Been there done that. Show me your hair, otherwise you're all flatulence.

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Wiblemo

Jan-16-13 12:09 AM

Ranger - The government already regulates what kinds of weapons ordinary citizens can have. So this is nothing new and nothing outside of the constitution "A well regulated militia."

Prod - I've heard that farce from others, and it's a ridiculous claim. If other weapons would do the same thing, then why are assault rifles the weapon of choice for nut cases? You know as well as I do that assault rifles can be legally modified to simulate full auto fire with special stocks and 'bump' firing. There are videos on youtube of people firing off 100 rounds in a minute. All you need are multiple extended magazines and a fast finger. Stanley McChrystal, one of the country's top generals, does not believe these weapons belong in the hands of civilians. I'd say that's a strong endorsement on the side of gun control.

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FreeRide

Jan-16-13 12:53 AM

Rangeral/FoxNFriendless, you use per-capita to better average crime rates based on a population. If Marshall and Minneapolis both have 10 murders it doesn’t mean the crime rate or “per-capita” is the same. While I may have missed all my comprehension classes I did pass statistics and a common sense course. You did give a body count, and well it still wasn’t the highest in the nation as you said it was. And no I don’t need to make facts and figures up, and suggest you do your due diligence in checking information before you proclaim it gospel, but I guess you have no need for fact checkers either. Currently in the US we have 8 guns to every 10 people. We are the most armed society “per-capita”

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Pirate

Jan-16-13 1:14 AM

A parlour trick Wiblemo. An AR would not likely make the top 5 choises for weapons if these nut jobs weren't educated by Hollywood and the first person shooter games. The only way the number of rounds hitting those kids was that high was a lot of time. An armed response would have saved many if not all of the lives in the mass shootings. Has it really escaped you geniuses that almost universally when confronted with someone able to defend themselves and others these bags of sht take their own lives?

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merioncooper

Jan-16-13 2:35 AM

I want to exercise my Twenty First Amendment rights as completely as Second Amendment supporters want to exercise theirs. By that, I mean I want the freedom to make, drink and sell booze anytime, anywhere and of any kind -- no restrictions. That's what the Amendment says when it repeals prohibition, it lifts ALL bans against booze. I trust all of you gun advocates will join me at my next rally. And when I call for legislation for Take a Kid Drinking Day, you'll sign my petition. It's all 100 percent constitutionally protected, so come join the fun. Kindred spirits, right?

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