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History teaches us to not disarm

February 14, 2013

To the editor: “Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force....

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KaptainKrunch

Feb-14-13 2:51 AM

Thank you Mr. Hodge. I hope you are prepared for the onslaught of leftists opposed to your position.

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blasphemer

Feb-14-13 9:43 AM

Another paranoid lunatic in our midst.

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rangeral

Feb-14-13 10:21 AM

Besides you, blasphemer?

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56two58

Feb-14-13 12:56 PM

You are incorrect Mr. Hodge. You do need a high capacity magazine to go hunting for predators or varmints. Shooting 500 rounds a day at prairie dogs to kill them so livestock & horses don't break their legs, etc. in prairie dog holes. Loading a 5 clip 100 or more times per day is not very feasible. High capacity magazines do serve a legitimate purpose.

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56two58

Feb-14-13 12:58 PM

Also, deciding that I don't need a high capacity magazine for hunting is a subjective opinion. Techically, others before us hunted without guns - so we really don't need any guns for hunting with that premise. My point being, that I suppot your premise - with the clarification that high capacity magazines do have legitimate uses for hunting. And, it would be prudent to get hunting experts and sportsmen into this debate so that laws aren't being scripted by those who unaware of these facts.

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WBL947

Feb-14-13 4:15 PM

The high caliber high capacity guns will not be enough protection from our left wing government. Soon we will need anti drone missiles on our rooftops. 56 if you need 500 rounds to clear out a field of prairie dogs perhaps some time with target practice is in order for you. The fine marksmen and ladies in SW MN have decreased the prairie dog population to a safe level.

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Really

Feb-14-13 9:39 PM

We should all have surface to air missiles or personal nuclear devices available to us for when the Martians come for us, don't cha think?

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Pirate

Feb-14-13 9:49 PM

Hey WBL give it up. I been burning all kinds of gas going west for PDs. Where are those MN colonies at?

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rangeral

Feb-14-13 11:31 PM

really - you are safe with just the underwear that you don't change for weeks at a time. I know the fumes get you.

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hartman75

Feb-15-13 2:26 PM

Great comments WBL947 and Really. Thanks for the laugh.

"...deciding that I don't need a high capacity magazine for hunting is a subjective opinion." Perhaps to the game you're hunting, 56two58, but not to those with even a minimal degree of intellect.

Great! Now rangeral is developing an underwear fetish!

Perhaps Mr. Hodge should have been paying more attention in history class. History has taught us NOTHING about disarming. What is HAS taught us is that individuals given unlimited power (or rights) often abuse that power.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 3:10 PM

"What is HAS taught us is that individuals given unlimited power (or rights) often abuse that power."~h75

How about you listing some instances of abused "unlimited power or rights" related to legitimate gun ownership?

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 3:19 PM

"Real historical writers probe factual uncertainties, but they do not invent convenient facts and they do not ignore inconvenient facts. People are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts." ~ William Kelleher Storey, Writing History

Let's look at h75's claim:

1911 – Turkey disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1915 – 1917 they murdered 1.5 million Armenians.

1929 – Russia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1929 – 1953 they murdered 20 million Russians.

1935 – China disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1948 – 1952 they murdered 20 million Chinese.

1938 – Germany disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1939 – 1945 they murdered 16 million Jews.

1956 – Cambodia disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1975 – 1977 they murdered 1 million Educated people.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 3:34 PM

1964 – Guatamala disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1964 – 1981 they murdered 100,000 Mayan Indians.

1970 – Uganda disarmed it’s citizens, and between 1971 – 1979 they murdered 300,000 Christians.

1992: L.A. California. Three days police stood by and watched, unable to end rioting, arson and destruction of whole neighborhoods. Yet, Korean stores were virtually untouched - protected by their well-armed store owners who exercised the right to self-defense through their right to keep and bear arms and who did for themselves what the police were unwilling or unable to do.

1990s: Great Britain established total gun control. Robberies, burglaries and assaults have skyrocketed.

They disarmed Chicago, and it now has the highest murder rate in the country.

Australia disarmed it’s citizens, a year later the homicide rate in the largest province was up 300%. Newest targets of violent crime? Unarmed elderly.

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KaptainKrunch

Feb-15-13 3:39 PM

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes.. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.-Cesare Beccaria.

The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. Thomas Jefferson.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 3:43 PM

Hey hartman75. Maybe I missed a memo.

Is there a plan to get the criminals to surrender THEIR weapons?

There's about 300 million guns in the US. Criminals might have what, 5% of 'em? 1.5 million? What's the plan for collecting those?

Wait. If you collect all those, you really don't have anything to worry about anymore, right? The rest of us can continue as we have for 222 years.

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blasphemer

Feb-15-13 5:01 PM

So Prod, I guess you didn't miss the NRA memo. I know that you didn't all of that garbage up by yourself.

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hartman75

Feb-15-13 5:13 PM

I guess I’m the one who missed the memo stating that all you need to prove a point is quote individuals who lived a couple hundred years ago or more, Prod and Kaptain. Are quotes supposed to trump facts and figures? Since you are so interested in the opinions of others, it’s clear that more Americans favor changes to our current gun laws than oppose them.

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hartman75

Feb-15-13 5:16 PM

It’s absolutely ridiculous to assert that mass killings occurred because of disarmament. In every example you gave Prod, a tyrant who attained absolute power and authority was responsible. Yet somehow you gun zealots can’t seem to grasp the obvious. There has NEVER been an attempt to disarm Americans. If so, show me some evidence. The push for limits on clip capacity and increased background checks would have NO impact on your ability to hunt and target shoot. NONE, except for the idiotic excuses you’ve been able to come up with so far. Please give us more tales of woe about how terrible and gut wrenching the idea that one may only fire 10 rounds at a time or how some gun buyers may find it necessary to endure the horrible experience of a background check. Wow, you gun zealots sure are drama queens!

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cfh101proof

Feb-15-13 5:19 PM

As long as the Department of Homeland Security is buying up billions of rounds of ammo, 1.7 billion rounds to be almost exact, of mostly hollow point, I WILL NOT let them take my guns and ammo. That would be insane! Hollow point is not even allowed in a war and you don't target practice with hollow point either. Do the math. That is enough ammo to wage a war for over 100 years.

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cfh101proof

Feb-15-13 5:30 PM

Our government has recently said it is legal for them to drone bomb Americans if we are deemed a threat, NDAA,FEMA camps,Patriot Act, TSA, the attack on our 2nd amendment, the constant wars and slaughter on innocent men, women and children in the M.E. and Africa, billions of rnds of ammo. With this in their hand, how can u trust our government and NOT own a gun? You have to be absolutely blind not to see their blatant attack on us, the American people. You have to be plain stupid if you can't see why they really want to disarm us. American gun owners are their only threat. The armed Americans can crush any nations military on this planet and they know this.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 5:38 PM

It appears h75 subscribes to "guerrilla type commentary", rather than engage opposition. Works for coyotes, although they might not be the best role models. If the right to self defense and the right to keep the government in check is outdated, how about the rest of our system? Trial by jury, due process, and elected government?

Time to do away with 'em all h75?

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 5:48 PM

"....it’s clear that more Americans favor changes to our current gun laws than oppose them."~h75

h75. Uhm, I guess you didn't check the Independent's poll "Do you agree with President Obama's gun control plan?"

Right now, 71% are apposed to changes to our current policy.

Maybe math isn't your strong suit? I mean, you seem to think 29% of 100% is a majority.

What else you might be a little off about?

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 5:55 PM

"There has NEVER been an attempt to disarm Americans."~h75

n a 1995 broadcast of CBS' 60 Minutes, Feinstein admitted she would love to have instituted an "outright ban" on all guns.

"If I could've gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them -- Mr. and Mrs. America turn 'em all in -- I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here."

Senator Feinstein introduced the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013.

Try again h75?

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 6:05 PM

"The push for limits on clip capacity and increased background checks would have NO impact on your ability to hunt and target shoot."~h75

Does it say in the 2A our hunting or target shooting "shall not be infringed"?

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ProdigalSon

Feb-15-13 6:16 PM

"I guess I’m the one who missed the memo stating that all you need to prove a point is quote individuals who lived a couple hundred years ago or more..."

The truth is the truth, regardless of when it was coined, ain't it?

Didn't know the truth had an expiration date on it, like a jug of milk. But if time does erode truth, maybe you better go on and take down your posters of Karl and toss that copy of The Motorcycle Diaries.....

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