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What’s with the media blackout?

April 18, 2013

To the editor: There is a landmark criminal case currently taking place that has been going on in a public trial for about a month now. It’s called, “the Kermit Gosnell murder trial.” Dr....

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westline

Apr-25-13 9:34 AM

On a related note, let's see how much coverage is given to the kid being left behind after a field trip. Who did it? Let's just ignore it? Maybe a little coverage with some spin?

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rangeral

Apr-23-13 11:39 PM

Pretty gruesome story in today's USAToday on what happened at this clinic and the total lack of oversight.

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cfh101proof

Apr-20-13 3:26 PM

It's because the controllers of the main stream media, the elites, love death and murder and blood and suffering and everything else that comes along with it. Our government pumps billions into planned parenthood so unborn children can be aborted everyday, all day. They love it!!! It's a fantasy of their's to kill children. The younger, the better. The browner, the better. There is a planned parenthood in every black community. Unreal how many black babies are killed every year and the controllers looooove it. The Dr. In PA made their fantasy come true so they won't demonize him in the media. Death by abortion or death by war, they love it all and the constant stream of killing isn't even enough for them. You have no idea how evil these SOBs are! They should all swing for their crimes.

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westline

Apr-20-13 7:36 AM

Sometimes I think that we are all voicing and venting. But we are likely not changing too many people's minds. Those that follow this are pretty stuck in their opinions.(right or wrong)

The more heated this gets, however, the more hits the website gets, and maybe the independent gets more from its advertisers.

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westline

Apr-19-13 8:08 PM

Born or unborn. Left-handed or right-handed. Blonde or redhead. I can see the difference. What is your point?

The basis for my belief is most likely both. Religion says it is wrong to kill another human. (common sense would agree) Science says the unborn baby is a person. Not a duck or a fencepost. Putting an adjective before baby (unborn, Chinese, unwanted, 2-year old, clumsy) doesn't take away the fact that we are in fact dealing with a person.

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hartman75

Apr-19-13 2:07 PM

“… because God did give us, sinful or not, freewill of our actions.”

Excellent point Kaptain. I too believe we all will be judged at some point – based on how we have lived our lives, NOT based on how we expect others to live their lives.

I don’t want to stray from the topic at hand, but to respond to your last statement, I believe I have made it clear (to everyone except Prod it seems) that I respect the right of gun ownership. I have owned guns myself and used them to hunt. I simply support universal background checks which have no bearing on anyone’s right to own and use their firearm.

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hartman75

Apr-19-13 1:54 PM

My fertilized egg example was poorly conceived (please forgive my pun). The point is: at what moment does a fertilized egg become a human being? If at conception, then fertilized eggs would have individual rights; fertilized eggs would automatically become U.S. citizens for any woman who conceives in the U.S.; all fertilized eggs would be eligible to receive social security survival benefits; unused eggs fertilized in a laboratory could not be legally destroyed. I believe the fate of any fertilized egg should be determined by the individual producing or carrying that egg, period.

“Common sense” has no basis in law and I didn’t provide a definition westline, so no, I would not participate in beating a preschooler. I do act upon what I perceive to be injustices and the elimination of an individual right is an injustice. Shouldn’t “common sense” lead one to recognize the differences between the born and unborn? What is the basis for your beliefs westline, science or religion?

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rangeral

Apr-19-13 1:25 PM

blasphemer - you already know that if you are out of line I will call you on it.

My apologies to your mother.

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blasphemer

Apr-19-13 9:44 AM

Wow! Six people don't think my mother and myself have a right to live. Goodness, even a troll like Al has a right to live ...and make stupid comments on this blog.

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KaptainKrunch

Apr-18-13 11:53 PM

OK Hartman I'm going to agree with you, in part. But I also expect you to live up to your words. You stated, and I agree "That if I find a specific behavior objectionable then I simply don't participate". Very similar to Jefferson's "If it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg" quote. A rejected fertilized egg, or miscarriage is usually a involuntary act. For whatever reason the body rejects the pregnancy. For people wanting children they can be just as painful as a child's death. An abortion is a voluntary action that results in a child's death. I object to abortion because of MY moral beliefs. But I accept abortion because as a man I don't have the right to tell a woman what she can or can't do with her body. That will be between her and her God, because God did give us, sinful or not, freewill of our actions. Now then, I know how you feel about firearms, and I accept that no one is going to force you to own one. So please respect my right to own them, I mean

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westline

Apr-18-13 8:49 PM

Now, by your definition, if you walk past a park, and see a 12-year-old boy beating the heads of pre-schoolers in with a rock, you would just keep on walking. "I simply don't participate" you say.

I, however, feel I need to stand up for the pre-schoolers, and do what I can to try to save their lives.

Thus my adamant stand against abortion.

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westline

Apr-18-13 8:43 PM

1. It is not only "my" definition. It is common sense. 2.Of course not. Abortion is a deliberate act of violent murder by someone other than the baby, against the baby. Your example is death by an act of nature, like a heart attack. If your son dies of a heart attack, you didn't murder him.

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hartman75

Apr-18-13 6:31 PM

Yes Spendstop, you can state an indisputable fact and STILL some will disagree. Watch.

The earth is round!

I bet I'll get a disagree or two, just because.

As wacky as that may seem, I still appreciate the concept of allowing individuals to "agree" or "disagree".

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hartman75

Apr-18-13 6:24 PM

Fertilized eggs are expelled if they fail to implant in the uterine lining. Based on your definition, would that be considered murder westline?

Its really this simple, westline. If I find specific behavior objectionable, then I simply don't participate.

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Spendstop

Apr-18-13 1:53 PM

Al- Every baby deserves a right to life. Including Blasphemer, and his mother.

I really do not understand how there can be 4 disagree's on that statement. It seems to me that alot of these agrees and disagrees are pointed right at the individual and not the statement

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westline

Apr-18-13 1:00 PM

Al- Every baby deserves a right to life. Including Blasphemer, and his mother.

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westline

Apr-18-13 12:58 PM

Hartman-"The right to choose what a person does with their body is an individual freedom protected by the Constitution"- 1.Sounds good, but what a person does with someone else's body shouldn't include death. 2.How do you explain outlawing prostitution?

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hartman75

Apr-18-13 12:44 PM

Although I agree that ANY clinic which performs medical procedures should be held to appropriate standards, I don't agree with "backdoor" attempts by Conservative lawmakers to obstruct abortion providers from performing their mission. Many Conservative lawmakers are introducing and passing laws which have NOTHING to do with enhancing patient care and everything to do with preventing women from getting the medical care for which they are legally entitled. Planned Parenthood serves a vital need in many communities yet are unjustly condemned by anti-choice conservatives.

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hartman75

Apr-18-13 12:11 PM

“Left-leaning media” is a figment of the Conservatives imagination. There is no media blackout – most news networks are busy covering the Republican and NRA’s fight against gun background check laws that WOULD prevent innocent people from being murdered each year, many of them children.

The right to choose what a person does with their body is an individual freedom protected by the Constitution. Individuals seeking legitimate legally recognized medical procedures should expect to receive treatment that meets the highest of standards. Anything less is malpractice. Nancy’s pathetic attempt to demonize government oversight “with regard to the abortion industry” diverts from the real perpetrator of these disgusting events. There is NO excuse for the actions of “doctor” Gosnell. There is also little media coverage of the intimidation, harassment, threats of violence and vandalism by conservative terrorists against abortion providers who are committing no crime.

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hartman75

Apr-18-13 12:10 PM

I suspect we don’t agree on some portions of this issue Crunchy, but I wholeheartedly agree with your last comment. Well stated.

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CrunchyCon

Apr-18-13 11:56 AM

Oh one more comment, SomeSense – it’s true that Gosnell’s clinic was not associated with Planned Parenthood. But a benefit that’s coming out of this is perhaps a greater willingness for regulators to do a better job regulating clinics to keep them safe, even PP ones. Just this week Delaware announced an investigation into a couple PP clinics for potentially unsanitary conditions. Of course, it doesn't appear that there have been any mentions of this in any mainstream news source yet…. :-)

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CrunchyCon

Apr-18-13 11:55 AM

Cont’d: The trial's testimony involved gruesome stuff... I mean, we're talking infants screaming on the table after the procedure was botched, severed baby feet kept in jars, that sort of stuff. Surely THAT is newsworthy material the second it comes out! Now there WAS reporting on this that was coming from right-wing sources, as well as some left-wing sources (e.g. HuffPost, Salon). But those main sources in the middle, where most of us look to for news, dropped the ball on this one. So, while this letter doesn't have every fact exactly correct, its basic point is valid.

A major factor, btw, in bringing it to the forefront was this April 11 editorial by USAToday columnist Kirsten Powers, for which I think anyone of goodwill, whether prolife or prochoice, can be grateful: w w w .usatoday. c o m/story/opinion/2013/04/10/philadelphia-abortion-clinic-horror-column/2072577/

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CrunchyCon

Apr-18-13 11:54 AM

SomeSensePlease: I don't know when Ms. Haapoja penned this letter, but it's a little out of date - a lot has happened in the past week.

Kermit Gosnell was arrested two years ago, in Jan 2011. His trial began March 18 of this year. There was a whole section of the courtroom reserved for journalists, but it had mostly empty seats. Prior to last week (that's THREE weeks into the trial) there were no mentions of this in the TV news coverage of the 3 main news networks, with only a scattering of coverage elsewhere in the mainstream (e.g. NYTimes buried one story on it on p17 on the first day of the trial).

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CrunchyCon

Apr-18-13 11:53 AM

Al, knock it off!!! Seriously. Your 11:24AM comment is positively shameful.

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blasphemer

Apr-18-13 10:21 AM

Maybe the reason that it is not being covered in any of the "viable" media sources is because it is a bunch of B.S.

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