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September 25, 2013

President Barack Obama is on the verge of doing something former President Bill Clinton failed to do during his eight years in the White House: expand health care access to everyone. On Oct....

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rangeral

Sep-25-13 9:40 AM

With how inept the Obama administration has been to date, did you really expect any thing different?

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AModerate

Sep-25-13 11:00 AM

The Obamacare Act is complicated, as is the entire health care issue. For the anti-everything crowd, what is your alternative? If an average low to mid income person is not provided with health insurance at work and chooses not purchase it independently, is suddenly faced with a six figure medical procedure required to save a member of the family’s life, should the procedure be done and if so – who pays? Should we sacrifice the patient because the head of the household took a risk? If we are humane the money has to come from somewhere – nothing is free. Should the tax payers foot the bill? Should it be passed on to the other sick people at the hospital? Certainly the person who chose not to get insurance won’t have the assets to cover it. Frankly, I’m not a big fan of the “free market insurance” solution in Obamacare, but I haven’t seen any other solution that is politically viable (I guess we will see if it is in the next few months). I'd like to hear a better solution.

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OIIOHH

Sep-25-13 12:13 PM

“Mammograms and other screenings wouldn't cost anything.” This is a LIE. Every procedure performed has a cost to SOMEONE.

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OIIOHH

Sep-25-13 12:28 PM

25-year-olds are “children” who can’t be responsible for their own medical care? EGAD!!

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OIIOHH

Sep-25-13 12:50 PM

“shouldn't the administration be doing everything in its power, and then some, to educate the people” – EDUCATE the people about 2,700 pages of legislation and 10s of thousands of pages of regulations written by more federal agencies than you can count? Yeah, RIGHT!

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OIIOHH

Sep-25-13 1:46 PM

“they believe it's detrimental to the economy” – Owe’BummerCare PENALIZES businesses for having 50 or more employees, and PENALIZES businesses for allowing their employees to work 30 or more hours. The result is that we are stuck with the tepid, anemic employment growth of the past several years. You don’t have to BELIEVE Owe’BummerCare is detrimental to the economy – it’s already PROVEN to be!

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rangeral

Sep-25-13 4:29 PM

amoderate - sounds like you have never read or watched the fable of the ant and grasshopper.

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rangeral

Sep-25-13 4:29 PM

i did hear today the Obama and his family will not be on Obamacare.

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OIIOHH

Sep-25-13 5:46 PM

The Independent FAILS to address the most important aspect of the Owe’BummerCare Monstrosity: Who’s going to pay for the 1.8 trillion estimated 10-year cost?

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rangeral

Sep-25-13 6:13 PM

I have yet to see any leadership from Senator Amy or Franken to pay the full cost for themselves and their staffs. Amy's offices in MN and DC refuse to answer that question.

Do as I say, not as I do.

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allenlyon

Sep-25-13 11:41 PM

It's a step, but we need single payer. Include coverage for traditional healing, like TCM and ethnic healers. Stop assuming the best way is the drug way - if big pharma has to advertise prescription drugs, something's off). Help support it with big fat sin tax on the usual , cigs, alcohol, and on chemical-laden ingestibles (junk) and HFCS non-nutritive obesity inducers (soda) and on all those toxic lawn poisons Marshallites are so rabid about using, or is that just a plan to get more patients for the cancer center?

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rangeral

Sep-25-13 11:45 PM

allen - you could always pray your way to good health.

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OIIOHH

Sep-26-13 1:01 AM

Big Allen – You think that with “single payer” you will be able to choose the type of treatment you want? Not a chance in heck. The “payer” will choose your treatment for you, if you’re lucky enough to be deemed “worth” treatment.

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rangeral

Sep-26-13 12:47 PM

I'm waiting for Obama, Reid and Pelosi to publicly sign up for the new Obamacare. They should do it on television and at the same time either give up the subsidies they provided for themselves or explain why they get them and the public does not.

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hartman75

Sep-26-13 1:10 PM

Excellent post AModerate.

Thanks to rangeral and especially OIIOHH for clearly pointing out over and over and over how little they know about the Affordable Care Act.

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rangeral

Sep-26-13 4:35 PM

Both of you apparently don't know that if you don't sign up for Obamacare as required by the law you can do so while at the emergency room.

And hartman I know you hold laws in high esteem - except the ones you don't like.

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KaptainKrunch

Sep-27-13 9:26 AM

Im sure the government will build lots of prisons or maybe FEMA camps to incarcerate all patriots who refuse to sign up for this BS. I will be one of them. This is not the Soviet Union or Nazi Germany, (yet) the government is not my savior or my keeper. This is also not a monarchy Obama is not my king, and the senate and house are not my rulers. The simple fact that the same politicians,(think moonbat Pelosi) who rammed this down our throat exempted themselves from the same care WE get should have all citizens very alarmed. Sadly though most are more sheeple than people having been spoon fed by big brother much of their lives. I will proudly stand with anyone else who has the courage to tell the government to go F" itself. I will not comply.

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hartman75

Sep-27-13 9:56 AM

Gee, I hope you’re not one of those idiots who bought car insurance, Kaptain. Since vehicle owners are required to purchase insurance it’s much cheaper to force those who are sensible and have insurance to pay for the reckless actions of irresponsible drivers. Why pay for something yourself when you can force others to pay your way, right Kaptain? How dare anyone force us to suffer the consequences of our actions, or in this case non-action. You and ********* Ted Cruz are two bold individuals willing to stand up and declare they would rather die if severely injured or sick rather than submit to purchasing health insurance. Oh wait, Ted receives excellent health insurance from the government and paid for by taxpayers. I guess it’s just you then Kaptain. Good luck.

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hartman75

Sep-27-13 9:57 AM

What? You are censoring the word Tea Bagger?

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KaptainKrunch

Sep-27-13 10:53 AM

Like I said Hartman sheeple, guess I know where you stand.. BAAH-BAAH.

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hartman75

Sep-27-13 3:38 PM

"I will proudly stand with anyone else who has the courage to tell the government to go F" itself."

Wow, what

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rangeral

Sep-27-13 3:41 PM

There is a new part - Hartman Bagger - that stands for anything that is free and is paid for by other people.

Would also apply to climate warmers who don't do anything themselves but want others to do so - these are Gore Baggers.

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hartman75

Sep-27-13 4:15 PM

"I will proudly stand with anyone else who has the courage to tell the government to go F" itself." (Sorry about the partial post – I lost track of my curser from laughing so hard and pushed the wrong button.)

My, what a load of Bellicose Speechifying THAT is Kaptain. Maybe while you’re in the FEMA camp, Ted Cruz will show up and read to you his green eggs and ham story.

So if I’m to follow your logic rangeral you would be Wind-Bagger. Got it.

“…anything that is free and is paid for by other people.” you mean like the Medicare and Medicare Part D benefits you receive rangeral?

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Merritt

Sep-27-13 4:51 PM

AModerate - The solution is actually quite easy. The head of household is responsible for the costs of the procedures. If they don't have the resources, the patient doesn't get the procedure. If you want to start a charity that creates a fund to help families out, go ahead. I'll donate. The problem we have with your idea of letting the person have the procedure and everyone splitting the costs, is that there will always be more need than resources. We're still not going to be able to pay for every six-figure operation, so where do you draw the line? Instead of a middle-class person splitting the costs with middle-class people, we're artificially putting people who can't afford the cost in with the people who are paying for the insurance. The level of care has to go down or the costs have to go up. It's simple economics. The solution is to let everyone have the freedom to pay for what kind of coverage they want or don't want. It is by far the fairest way to do it.

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rangeral

Sep-27-13 4:52 PM

I support wind farms, hartman.

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