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Seifert: MNsure a ‘mess’

With clock ticking on the enrollment deadline, GOP gubernatorial candidate says concern growing across the state

December 19, 2013

MARSHALL — The Minnesota Republican Party spoke out this week — and spoke out loudly — against MNsure, Minnesota’s new embattled state-run health exchange started as a result of the federal......

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sumyounguy

Dec-23-13 1:35 PM

eburke: "President Obama will be less effective after Nov. 5, 2014 then he is today" - I'd like to believe that, but he will just do even more executive orders. He doesn't believe in a republic or even a democracy, his preference is a dictatorship.

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eburke

Dec-23-13 11:37 AM

Hartman, first I am not a conservative, just an independent thinker who will vote for a Republican as well a Democrat. I would say it is getting more difficult to vote for Democrats because of debacles like the ACA. Second, the ACA can be salvaged, but it requires dramatic changes, which this President will only consider in a crisis-response, piecemeal fashion. This ensures that the ACA will only get worse. Third, in the last election, I predicted Obama with more than 300 electoral votes, the Republicans would maintain control of the House but lose seats, and the Democrats would maintain control of the Senate and gain seats. What I'm saying now is that Republicans will gain 25 seats in the House, Republicans will take control of the Senate, and to add to my prediction, President Obama will be less effective after Nov. 5, 2014 then he is today.

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westline

Dec-23-13 5:18 AM

Obstruct progress, Hartman? Tell me again about the Lock Ness monster in your backyard swimming pool and Bigfoot on your deck.

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hartman75

Dec-23-13 12:03 AM

Eburke, your argument the ACA is doomed is based on the opinions of the ultra conservative CATO Institute which regards ANY healthcare reform as flawed. That would hardly be an objective or valid rationale even in the mid 90’s, much less today. BTW, I remember many conservatives like you predicting large Republican gains in the Senate and House before the last election when, in fact, Republicans lost seats. I have no predictions eburke, however, many American’s are tired of Republican House and Senate member’s endless schemes to obstruct progress. We’ll see if that translates into more votes for Democrats or Republicans.

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Pirate

Dec-22-13 5:58 PM

What a great bunch of D-flections. No matter how you spin it, health care in this country is a bigger mess than anything previously imagined. It is a D-zaster. Thank you O & D.

For a couple of worthwhile changes, the highest quality health care in the world has been eviscerated. HIPPA, security & privacy gone. Doctors & hospitals opting out. Millions losing coverage. Most paying more. Businesses dropping employee coverage. The Young & Healthy aren't interested in picking up the tab. Etc., etc., etc. The last time there was a sprinkle like this Noah built an ark.

If a private entity had thunk up any of this they would be defending themselves criminally & civilly. So conservatives are suggesting fixes. Bring this circus to the brightest light possible so real repairs can be made over the next election cycles. Thanks O-Dd couple.

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rangeral

Dec-22-13 12:30 PM

Now we can add one more thing to the list of what you are not good at, hartman - research!

Well off to Cracker Barrel for some good old fashioned picketing. Pretty ironic - they are dropping select Duck Dynasty items from their stores - and this from the company slapped with more discrimination lawsuits than any other restaurant chain.

Somehow I don't see a lot of gay people watching Duck Dynasty or for that matter eating at Cracker Barrel.

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Scout101

Dec-21-13 4:15 PM

There are only 2 problems with the ACA. The legislation itself is manure and the idea that 50 + companies involved in the roll out can work together and make it work is absurd. It was written by Harry Reid and a select few behind closed doors, after Obama announced an open government. One of the main companies involved in the roll out was the same one in charge of the now abandon Canadian gun registry. As far as bipartisan work, is that why the Senate did away with needing a 60 vote majority ? Obama - One Big A-- Mistake America

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eburke

Dec-21-13 10:14 AM

Hartman, I am referring to the then Senator Don Nickles, who put forward legislation in the 90s to provide an alternative to HillaryCare. The flawed thinking by Nickles and Republicans at that time was to put forward less flawed legislation than what the Clintons had put forward. Nevertheless, still flawed and counterproductive. With second and third order effects, just watch the news. What is happening now are the same types of arguments that were mentioned back in the 90s. Also, if this topic interests you, I recommend that you peruse through the Congressional Record. Finally, I offer a prediction: In the 2014 congressional elections, Republicans will pick up 25 seats and take control of the Senate. You can save this post and present it to me Nov. 5, 2014.

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farmkid

Dec-21-13 8:17 AM

Oh good, an original debate.

Anyone who identifies with either party is a part of the problem. Neither party has the open-mindedness or ability to compromise to make any improvements for their constituents.

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hartman75

Dec-21-13 2:04 AM

"...at least 13 amendments sponsored by one or more Republican senators were included in the bill.”

eburke, what does the following actually mean, "Republicans simply recognized that it(healthcare exchange)had flaws that would result in catastrophic second and third order effects, which is why it did not go forward."

What is the primary flaw that results in the 2nd & 3rd order effects? I searched but could find no information to support your claim. Can you provide a reference? Exchanges in Massachusetts & Kentucky, both created by Republicans, function very well.

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hartman75

Dec-21-13 1:55 AM

I took your advice rangeral. Based on the facts, your claims are completely false. No wonder you couldn’t produce any evidence.

“According to a HELP Committee document about bipartisan aspects of the health reform bill the committee passed July 15, 2009, its final bill included "161 Republican amendments," including "several amendments from Senators [Mike] Enzi [R-WY], [Tom] Coburn [R-OK], [Pat] Roberts [R-KS] and others [that] make certain that nothing in the legislation will allow for rationing of care," and reflected the efforts of "six bipartisan working groups" that "met a combined 72 times" in 2009 as well as "30 bipartisan hearings on health care reform" since 2007, half of which were held in 2009 [HELP Committee document, 7/09]. And according to the Senate Finance Committee's September 22, 2009, document detailing the amendments to the Chairman's Mark considered, at least 13 amendments sponsored by one or more Republican sen

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rangeral

Dec-20-13 9:55 PM

"We have to pass the bill to know what is in it."

Sounds dumber every time I hear it.

Who said that hartman - some Dem or will you rewrite history and say it was the GOP.

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rangeral

Dec-20-13 9:54 PM

hartman - do your own research - try the Congressional Record for the time period that the ACA was being introduced, especially the committee minutes.

Where is your health insurance coming from and who pays for it?

I'm guessing you loss some credibility if you answer these questions.

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Hitter

Dec-20-13 7:31 PM

The competition that you mention will not be what brings affordable health care.

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eburke

Dec-20-13 1:54 PM

Hartman, your comment referring about the Fox News Report is inaccurate. I learned of this information when those bills were originally introduced in 90s. Also, I was reminded of this from CNN--thanks Anderson Cooper.

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hartman75

Dec-20-13 1:36 PM

"...you conveniently forget that the GOP in both the House and Senate offered hundreds of amendments to improve the healthcare law - but they were all denied a vote. Not some, but all."

In that case rangeral, it shouldn't be hard for you to name just one amendment to improve healthcare that was denied a vote.

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hartman75

Dec-20-13 1:30 PM

“Republicans simply recognized that it (healthcare exchange) had flaws that would result in catastrophic second and third order effects…”

Imagine that, a Republican initiative had flaws. Evidently I missed that FOX News report, eburke. Catastrophic 2nd and 3rd order effects sound horrible but it makes for a great excuse.

An exchange is as pro-market as it gets; buyers and sellers are free to compare similar products and their costs. It’s absurd to suggest Democrats “blindly” adopted policies created by Republicans as they worked to reform healthcare. The “flaws”, which can be fixed, only effect the operation of the MNsure exchange, not the concept. However I can’t argue with the indisputable fact that many Republican ideas are flawed.

The “system” has not changed hitter, only the rules that are transforming a dysfunctional insurance marketplace to one that operates more like an open market that will lead to lower costs.

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Hitter

Dec-20-13 12:02 PM

The problem with MNSURE is it doesn't deal with lowering the COST of Health care. Our old system was not what was broken, it was the cost of the product. Surgeries, office vists, medications, etc. are all over priced.

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rangeral

Dec-20-13 12:00 PM

hartman - you conveniently forget that the GOP in both the House and Senate offered hundreds of amendments to improve the healthcare law - but they were all denied a vote. Not some, but all.

Again, where do you receive your healthcare from and who pays for it? That would place you so others can decide fro themselves if you are being helpful or hypocritical. Should be a simple question to answer, even for you.

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eburke

Dec-20-13 10:01 AM

Hartman, may I remind you that idea for the healthcare exchange stems from Republicans, not Democrats. Republicans simply recognized that it had flaws that would result in catastrophic second and third order effects, which is why it did not go forward. Democrats blindly stole an idea that was bankrupt and implemented it. Democrats do try, which is accurate, but let's not try too much more--there's already too many people who have lost their insurance.

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eburke

Dec-20-13 9:56 AM

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hartman75

Dec-20-13 9:45 AM

Republicans have had multiple opportunities spanning several years to contribute meaningful, sensible and useful policies that would improve the delivery of health care eburke. Republicans have chosen to do everything possible to DEFEAT any proposal designed to make healthcare more affordable. Evidently Republicans are both heartless and clueless. At least Democrats are trying.

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eburke

Dec-20-13 9:23 AM

The difference between Democrats and Republicans is that Democrats have a bigger heart for the most vulnerable, but at times are simply clueless on how to efficiently target that assistance. This healthcare debacle is outrageous, and Democrats own it. Republicans should offer constructive advice--Democrats certainly need it--and address the flaws so that affordable healthcare is available to all.

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jackson

Dec-20-13 6:31 AM

WOW Marty, point out the obvious!! Think maybe you would have said something about how you could fix the mess!!!

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rangeral

Dec-19-13 5:32 PM

SEL - when are the "leaders" going to fix all the problems?

Rule #2 - if you don't have the votes (i.e., control of the Senate and the White House), you can't change anything. But you can speak up about what is wrong.

And there is plenty wrong.

Print out this discussion and then take a look at where we stand in October after all the company-provided healthcare is gone or is too expensive.

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