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Cowardly act of hate

June 18, 2014

To the editor: Beware of cowardly vandalism within your neighborhood....

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Scout101

Jun-27-14 8:17 PM

Time to pull a Hartman and change the subject. I would like H75 to respond to this.

Today a Mexican helicopter flew into the US and fired on US Customs Officers then flew back to Mexico. They said sorry, it was a mistake but still are not releasing our Marine for his mistake. Why the double standard ???

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Scout101

Jun-27-14 3:03 PM

I find the vandalism of this flag no more or less news worthy than the destruction of any other flag.

Hartman you continue to attempt to redirect the conversation so you don't have to address my point. Typical response from you when you do not have a valid argument.

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hartman75

Jun-27-14 10:03 AM

As you may know 56258, sarcasm is hard to convey when writing.

Scout, all the attention THIS incident received was 1 line write up in the criminal section. The Independent, at least the digital version, has not made any mention of the crime, except to publish a letter to the editor. If you don't think the intentional destruction of a gay pride flag is "newsworthy", why have you posted 5 of the 37 comments?

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Scout101

Jun-26-14 3:18 PM

No Hartman I didn't miss the point. As usual you choose to ignore the point I am making so you don't have to address it.

The only reason this vandalism is receiving all this press time is because it was a gay pride flag. Flags have been stolen or destroyed in the past and all the attention they get is a 2 or 3 line write up in the criminal activity section. Our justice system is way off balance when they consider destroying a gay pride flag a more serious crime than destroying a Minnesota state flag. Just because you are gay does not make crimes against you more serious than crimes against a straight person. That's called politically correct discrimination.

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56two58

Jun-26-14 11:01 AM

H75, sounds like we agree!

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hartman75

Jun-26-14 9:37 AM

Of course we shouldn't presume those folks are anti-democracy haters lacking self-confidence, 56258.

We should assume they are most likely kids incapable of truly understanding the perspective of patriotism, not understanding value of personal property, and not understanding the consequences of a crime and also suffering from some rare type of a phobia.

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56two58

Jun-25-14 5:45 PM

You suppose that is the only vandalized flag in town?

Lots of American flags stolen in town (look at past crime reports).

Should I presume those folks are anti-democracy haters lacking self-confidence?

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hartman75

Jun-25-14 4:42 PM

As usual Scout, you are missing the point. If this hadn't been a flag representing gay pride, it never would have been taken down and cut into pieces in the first place.

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Scout101

Jun-25-14 11:20 AM

This "letter to the editor" and a few of it's responses are a perfect example of liberal discrimination. If this hadn't been a gay flag it would never have made the news.

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Scout101

Jun-25-14 11:18 AM

Yes Westline, H75 could very well be a made up character. Seems he/she/it is only here to stir the pot.

Your last statement about a real individual with such extreme, unrealistic and flawed ideas, I would say look what we have in the White House.

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KaptainKrunch

Jun-25-14 2:48 AM

Yes Hartman I do remember writing that. But I'm not a liberal genius, like yourself. So please, take me through word by word as to where you find any perceived notion that I intend to kill anyone. OK, wait I found it. Your scared of my kids dog.

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hartman75

Jun-24-14 11:58 PM

"Where did I once say that "I'm willing to kill anyone who walks into my yard"?"

Gee Kaptain remember writing this: "You claim you're gonna come to my yard and destroy my property...if you really feel the need, I do have a two tier home defense system. One is made by Labrador Retriever...The other by Smith & Wesson."

You're right westline, criticizing someone for vandalizing a flag is extreme. How about you bring your American flag over to my place and we'll cut it up together. That should make you feel better.

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westline

Jun-24-14 4:48 PM

We must consider that Hartman may be just a made up entity, only in this website to stir up controversy, and increase hits on this website. Imagine how much less entertaining this would be without his/her/its posts. What are the chances that a real person even exists with such extreme, unrealistic, and flawed ideas?

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KaptainKrunch

Jun-24-14 4:27 PM

Hartman you're impossible. I've remained civil and polite, unlike you. I seriously think you have some bad wiring. Where did I once say that "I'm willing to kill anyone who walks into my yard"? Grow Up man. You know I have liberal friends and I respect them we actually have fun together. I don't think I could ever have a beer with you you're just to obstinate.

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56two58

Jun-24-14 2:47 PM

We know an act of vandalism happened.

We don't know the motive for that. To presume it was due to "intolerance and hatred" as the authors state reinforces the exact opposite of tolerance (despite the vandalism). Let's not pre-judge people.

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56two58

Jun-24-14 1:31 PM

Perhaps the act was just that of vandalism and has no component of intolerance and hatred involved.

The authors may presume this - but I would suggest their message would be much better received if they didn't.

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Scout101

Jun-24-14 12:24 PM

Hartman, have you ever made an honest straightforward statement if your life ? You rarely if ever answer a direct question.

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Scout101

Jun-24-14 12:12 PM

This whole hate crime tag is a bunch of bs. Because the flag in question was a rainbow flag it's destruction is supposed to be more of a crime than if it was the American flag ? Bull ! That is a perfect example of liberal bias and discrimination against anyone who doesn't march in step with them. It is vandalism and that's all.

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hartman75

Jun-24-14 9:59 AM

So lets get this straight. WWo7 & Kaptain are willing to kill anyone who would try to walk into their yard and destroy their flag, yet the person who had their flag destroyed by a vandal should not feel personally violated. This logic ties in nicely with WWo7’s view that only liberal activists intentionally commit acts of vandalism in a misguided attempt to bring out the intolerance of others. After all, it happened once before. Which is really quite a silly allegation when you consider those with narrow minds will no doubt make their intolerance known with little provocation. With nothing more than a straw man argument, no wonder WWo7 is folding.

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KaptainKrunch

Jun-23-14 10:51 PM

I challenge you find one thing that I posted that is not true. It is you liberals that are intolerant of anyones view that doesn't march lockstep with yours. Maybe you should review the definition of bigot. You claim you're gonna come to my yard and destroy my property, I'm sure you were just "ranting" but if you really feel the need, I do have a two tier home defense system. One is made by Labrador Retriever, friendly but noisy. The other by Smith & Wesson, very noisy and not so friendly. I'd much rather just have a couple cold ones with you in my cave.

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KaptainKrunch

Jun-23-14 10:24 PM

Not even sure where to start Hartman,you leave yourself so wide open. 1.)heresyphobia-a fear of challenges to the official doctrine, or fear of a radical change. Yep I have it, and only cure is to wipe out the spreading leftist cancer that is assaulting our constitution and destroying our freedoms. I think you're carrying the disease ol' buddy. 2.) We don't know what a flag represents. I served this country and proudly defended the freedoms you correctly say it represents. How bout you Hartman? 3.) You mention religious freedom, so you must know what a cross or nativity scene symbolize for millions of Christians. Yet I'm sure you have no problem with Christians across the country being forced to remove these items, or participate in events their religious beliefs say are wrong. Is that liberal tolerance? Or are liberals only tolerant if you agree with them? 4.) You claim I posted a rant to justify my bigotry and narrow mindedness.

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hartman75

Jun-23-14 3:44 PM

H 75 said:

"Apparently neither Kaptain or WW07 would find it offensive, or even criminal, if I walked through their gate to take down and cut into pieces a flag which symbolized an ideal they believed was important. That's quite a liberal stance for a pair of conservative reactionaries."

To which WW07 replied:

in which he admits that trespass and vandalism are most likely to be committed by a liberal than a law-abiding conservative.

Yikes WW07, how you could possibly draw that conclusion from my comment is incomprehensible. Thanks for not disappointing.

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hartman75

Jun-23-14 3:27 PM

Clearly there are some who don’t understand what a rainbow flag represents. Millions know it as a gay pride flag used to symbolize gay pride and show support for LGBT causes.

Millions, both here and around the world, see the “Stars and Stripes” as representing personal rights & religious freedom, democracy & sacrifice.

Based on the comments of Kaptain, WW and common it would seem a flag is actually quite meaningless. It’s nothing more than several different pieces of cloth sewn together. A flag represents nothing – they are simply decorations. In that case, no disrespect is intended when destroying a flag since whether it be a Rainbow flag or the Stars and Stripes, a flag has no meaning. And, like 56258 claims, its completely plausible that some kid who suffers from a fear of rainbows made the effort to find a pair of scissors and cut to pieces their neighbors flag. Honestly, a more logical explanation is that 56258 and the others are suffering from Heresyphobia.

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commonman

Jun-22-14 9:07 PM

Entering your yard and cutting up your rainbow flag is a crime. However, on the side of Kaptain, what if I wereto fly a flag supportig only heterosexual relationships? How long would it take for someone to try to force me to take that down if it went against their beliefs? We have become way too sensitive to fringe groups and beliefs at the expense of the majority. I look the other way when it comes to homosexuals, shoving it in my face will not force me to see it from a gay's point of view.

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WW07

Jun-22-14 3:35 PM

As I reviewed the comments today I was stricken by an astounding admission contained in one of them.

Because H 75 is either incapable of comprehending proper English or because he is purposely obtuse, his comment so egregiously misinterpreted what was said that I answered the comment without immediately grasping it's significance.

H 75 said,

"Apparently neither Kaptain or WW07 would find it offensive, or even criminal, if I walked through their gate to take down and cut into pieces a flag which symbolized an ideal they believed was important. That's quite a liberal stance for a pair of conservative reactionaries."

in which he admits that trespass and vandalism are most likely to be committed by a liberal than a law-abiding conservative.

H75 inadvertently stepped into the truth for once.

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