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commonman

Feb-15-13 7:28 PM

Judging by that rant late on Valentine's Day, I'm guessing somebody's gun is his sweetheart. Overly condense and simplify away, we are hanging on every word from your magnificence...

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ProdigalSon

Feb-14-13 10:41 AM

levelheaded's suggestion does lead to another question in my mind; By what authority does Congress control our personal possessions? When does power to control what we CAN buy become power to control what we MUST buy?

This conversation might go smoother once it's determined the source of Congress's authority to act on a Bill of Rights amendment cemented when ratified with "shall not be infringed".

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ProdigalSon

Feb-14-13 10:13 AM

This is where voting for an official that supports our single issue concern bites us in the butt. While your candidate was leading the charge for your cause, you might find out later that candidate had sold his soul to the devil earlier. In this case, left wing extremists wanting a general gun ban might find their left wing rep needed the endorsement of the NRA to get elected. The MN DFL Majority Leader of the Senate owes his start in politics to an NRA endorsement. He'll cuddle 'n console rockdart as he sobs, but Majority Leader Tom Bakk knows who buttered his bread.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-14-13 9:27 AM

My explanation of amending or repealing our constitution is an overly condensed simplification. You can study the process, found in the Constitution in Article 5.

You'd soon see the travesty our representation has become due to the influence of lobbyists and special interests.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-14-13 9:11 AM

Fortunately, our constitution doesn't allow the majority to vote away the rights of the minority. If that were the case, immediately following the ratification of the 13th. 14th, 15th amendments, they'd of been blown out of the water by popular vote.

Not to be critical of your idea, but this is typical thinking that's leading us away from our original structure of government, giving us rule by force / mob-rule-by-right-of-majority-vote rather than representative government. James Madison, primary author of our Bill of Rights, said in Federalist Paper #10 that “the great danger in republics is that the majority will not respect the rights of minority.”

That's why our Rights are not hinged on popular opinion.

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levelheaded

Feb-14-13 8:25 AM

I know I am joining this conversation late, but isn't the true answer to both sides: Put it on the ballot to repeal the 2nd Amendment? Let the people decide if they want to change the Constitution and Bill of Rights. If it gets enough votes to be repealed, then we start making laws to rain in guns. If it doesn't, then we pass no laws that infringe that right. To my recollection, only 1 amendment has ever been repealed - Prohibition!?

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commonman

Feb-13-13 7:26 PM

Gee, prod got all bent out of shape when I mentioned the percentages to his comments. Must be o.k. now that they are in his favor. Meanwhile, the 9 or 10 year old boy who was just randomly shot in the Cities... killed with a legally puchased firearm.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-13-13 5:37 PM

Cyber Warriors for Obama are apparently instructed to infiltrate forum gun topics and either enhance the anti position or derail the thread.

And it doesn't interfere with their bagging job at HyVee.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-13-13 5:16 PM

This poll as of today shows 71% oppose changes to our current policies. That makes sense when looking at other numbers. In the past 4 years, there's been 65,376,373 background checks to purchase firearms. 44,748 background checks a day. We're past 120,000 carry permit holders in MN, and over 8 million nationwide.

DPMS of St Cloud, makers of AR platform rifles, has recognized rockdart as salesman of the year.

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WW07

Feb-13-13 3:35 PM

Nuance this. David Axelrod is paying the Cyber Warriors for Obama $8.88/hr to populate internet forums and proclaim that they R Smrt and Republicans are Cwazy. Motor skills alone (fast typing) save them from wasting every last iota of youth and joy on a pittance from the masterminds.

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rangeral

Feb-13-13 9:17 AM

I call it common sense, rockdart of which you seem to have very little.

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rockdart

Feb-13-13 12:57 AM

Al again shows how his fear center is buff.

So buff.

Al.

grrr, baby.

grrr.

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rangeral

Feb-12-13 8:32 PM

I'm not foolish enough to go to big parts of Chicago or several areas of the Twin Cities.

I see they arrested the two killers in Chicago today - the shooter should have been in jail going back a year, but the PC crowd believes in reforming the "young gentlemen".

Plenty of laws - they just don't enforce them.

Where's Prof. du Bois and his protege Berlon? I'm sure they have a "study" to fit this discussion. Who knows, they might even play the race card.

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commonman

Feb-12-13 7:52 PM

I repeat, drop al off in Chicago with an Uzzi and a switchblade. By his determination he should be safe and Chicago will be saved from gun violence as well. KK suggests being an "american" entitles anyone to own an AR weapon and he trumps that with being a veteran. My service was long enough ago I can accept the changes in society, why can't he? It's interesting how quickly the gun zealots resort to name calling or other bullying in an attempt to get their point across. Isn't america supposed to be above that? None of these gun rights activists will be around during a school, movie theatre, courthouse, etc shooting; but they will be happy to fight for everyone else's right to own the gun that kills you, your children, friends, etc.

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rockdart

Feb-12-13 5:19 PM

mea culpa - I was wrong. Prod was referencing the MN House hearings and not the US Senate hearings.

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rockdart

Feb-12-13 5:07 PM

Prod - your full of crap. The supporters outnumbered the nuts by 4 to 1 or better. Stop making things up. I know it's difficult with your republican propensity, but just stop it.

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rockdart

Feb-12-13 5:06 PM

yes. according to psychiatry, yes. Conservativism is a mental disorder. And don't try to pull off some stupid crap like all service members are conservative. That's bunk and you know it.

Anyone not in favor of sweeping gun regulations that are for promoting the general welfare is a gun nut. Not all owners are gun nuts. Those who are obsessed with their big-stick-go-bang and can't get on board is a gun nut. simple enough - I tried to keep the nuance out of that so conservatives can follow.

Insofar as being able to excersize one's autonomy - it's the law of the land and it's a women's health issue and to stop someone from being able to excersize their health care is discrimination. Period. I don't want to help fund your ****** either, but I realize that is YOUR health issue and none of my business.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-12-13 4:23 PM

It'll boil down to what legislators support. The majority of the law makers are distanced from gun control positions, simply because it's a political minefield. Last week, the House held hearings for gun control. The hearing room, two 300 seat overflow rooms and the halls were packed with pro gun supporters all three days. Hearings for gun control in the Senate should be starting on the 21st with the Judiciary Committee. Senate support looks weaker there than in the House, as a number of Senators are NRA endorsed.

17 states have intro'd bills to block federal gun control legislation.

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KaptainKrunch

Feb-12-13 3:24 PM

Actually rocky I've accepted the position that as a man I have no right to tell a woman that she cannot kill her unborn child. That will be between her and her creator. But abortion should not be state sanctioned and certainly not tax payor funded. Conservatism is a mental disorder? Is that why far more conservative minded people serve in our armed forces because of our limited mental capabilities? You just keep talking there rockhead. Go down to the VFW or Legion and tell the old vets how stupid they are tell them about their "gun fetish", I think your stay there would be very short.

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rockdart

Feb-12-13 2:33 PM

what to do? Enact what Australia did in totality. Those actions have a track record that shows success.

KK - equating the state telling a woman what she can and can't do with her own body, is an autonomy question, while your big-stick-go-bang fetish is just a fetish. Please... stop with the conservative false equivalence crap. Also - the CONSERVATIVE mind has been PROVEN to ACTUALLY be a mental disorder. One that is of heightened fear, a reduced prefrontal cortex and inability to work out nuance. The conservative mind will place any black and white decision model - even if proven completely incorrect - to replace nuance.

Go look it up.

And rusty - there is an ID 10 T error between your keyboard and the back of your chair that I'm afraid just cannot be fixed.

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KaptainKrunch

Feb-12-13 2:25 PM

Also common you say that gun ownership should be an earned privilege not a right. May I ask how one would earn this privilege and who would be granting these. BS. I earned my right of gun ownership,(which by the way I do not own either an AR-15 or AK-47) by being an American citizen first and an American veteran second. I believe common that you stated you were a navy vet, great, thanks, I'm just wondering whose navy it was. Now buttdart, I'm certainly not a biblical scholar, and I'm not aware of any "republican schools" teaching that Jesus rode a dinosaur. But Christ did ride a *******. Hmmm. Family member?

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RandomPerson

Feb-12-13 2:24 PM

Can people really believe this is true?

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RandomPerson

Feb-12-13 2:24 PM

The following message was on my facebook page this morning - This kind of radical extremism is what worries me about the pro gun croud: ...."Remember that old gun your Grandfather gave you? The one that has been passed down for generations Or the guns you have paid for yourself and collected over the years. The goverment wants them for free!!!!! They want to come and get them!!! We will be left unprotected and at the mercy of every terrorist in our country. Do we want this???? We will be sitting ducks to every creep out there!!! Stand..."

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ProdigalSon

Feb-12-13 2:14 PM

When put on the scales of reason, creating gun free zones has influenced school shootings more than the availability of high capacity magazines.

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ProdigalSon

Feb-12-13 2:02 PM

He doesn't have any ideas Pirate. His intent is to close down this and any other related thread to silence opposition. His posts are void of constructive input, either pro / con.

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