And it is not going to happen. I, for one, will enjoy seeing anyone SAFELY crossing 23 once the overpass is in place.
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Visit Canada - major pedestrian crosswalks are all protected by lights and the fines are huge if you get caught blowing through one.
So it is possible and it is effective.
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All you have to do is read the next sentence and you'll answer your own question.
The very fact that it's a divided lane state highway with a stoplight at the 59/23 intersection is enough to make this a moot point.
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Regarding stoplights. Go back and read the story. "Martig said - for example, a reduced speed limit or stop lights would likely not be approved." Does that mean that they haven't asked? Maybe we should contact our elected officials and put pressure on MNDOT to at least take a fresh look at signal lights. Swedzinski and Dahms should be contacted.Maybe they can have some input with MNDOT. Please, explore ALL avenues before proceeding with something this important.
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Those of you pushing for stoplights, remember: the city has tried several times in the past to reduce the speed limit without success. Do you really think stoplights will be approved? It won't be happening anytime soon.
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Keep in mind that the bridge is for bikes and peds only. Cars, motorcycles, trucks, etc will have to turn right onto 23, travel several hundred feet, then make a u-turn to travel back to Saratoga and make another right onto Saratoga, just to get straight through the intersection.
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People who are crossing 23 now will not go down to the new overpass to use it. Bet your bottom dollar on that. Big waste of money. Stop lights. Traffic is to fast through 23 bypass anyway.
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Why not stoplights? Probably because they built 23 as a bypass. Stoplights would surely be cheaper but not safer according to the statistics. Anytime you do a bridge or tunnel it is safer than stoplights. People have to decide what level of risk they are willing to live with. Personally I believe reconstructing College Drive would be a better idea for the community.
In any event, I'll bet folks living south of 23 will not be pleased when they realize they won't be able to drive straight across 23.
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Put stoplights on Saratoga, then the next reasonable step is to put stoplights on Co. 7. I agree, it would be safe and cheaper, but this town isn't big enough to warrant it.
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The underpass was a complete waste of money. No matter what may be said, a stoplight would be the safest, most sensible, and cheapest.
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School buses don't pick kids up that live within that distance. Knowledge is power, once obtained.
To answer a worthwhile question, there is no way another set of stoplights will be put on a state highway for Saratoga street. County 7 has the same problem (with more fatalities).
Hartman, your point is quite valid.
Does anyone know why stoplights aren't installed? Wouldn't that be more cost-efficient and safer. It would be a good idea to slow that too-fast traffic anyway. Does anyone know how many peds use this crossing? I see so few kids walking to school this must be for some other reason. Also, city could also create a trail/sidewalk along the road to the main street intersection. Means walking a few more blocks, but signals and sidewalks are in place from there.
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"What reason do any pedestrians have to cross the highway at that intersection that justifies spending millions of dollars?"
How about the fact that even one person could be hurt or killed by a vehicle while trying to cross a major highway.
IMO, it was poor city planning to allow a large residential development on the other side of a 4-lane highway WITHOUT ever considering how pedestrian traffic could cross safely.
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How many Marshall kids really walk to school from there?
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The poll question states nothing about building a sidewalk so you must assume there will be none. Additionally, the fact that neither side of the street is obvious for a sidewalk indicates there are major impediments to building one (steep ditches, trees, utilities, property boundaries).
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My KNOWLEDGE that a school bus is ALWAYS available to transport children safely across the intersection, including when the wind chill is -30, is POWER.
Apparently its the actual thought of an individual choosing to walk that has OIIOHH bemused.
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It's probably even funnier for you think of those kids crossing 23 on foot.
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The project would include the construction of sidewalks along Saratoga Street, Olson said. However, it has not yet been decided which side of the street the sidewalks and pedestrian bridge will be built on.
And then those same kids will walk to school along Saratoga Street to Southview with NO sidewalk? They will cross this “pedestrian bridge” during darkness, freezing rain, snow, sleet, and fog? HILARIOUS!!
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Kids getting to school in the morning.
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What reason do any pedestrians have to cross the highway at that intersection that justifies spending millions of dollars?
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