So over 70% agree that it's okay to start a fight and then kill someone because you're getting your butt kicked? Sad.
I wonder what the verdict would have been if it had been Martin who killed Zimmerman in the struggle?
The jury should have convicted Zimmerman for involuntary manslaughter. His choices led to Martin's death. Had he done what he was supposed to do as a neighborhood watch member, just observe and report, than none of this would have happened.
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I agree SEL. If not for the actions of Zimmerman, Treyvon would still be alive. What seems to be overlooked was Treyvon's right to defend himself against the threat Zimmerman posed. From what I'm hearing, the jurors believed both individuals were to blame for the events which took place, except Treyvon is dead and Zimmerman is free. Based on the evidence and testimony presented, justice was not served.
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So you all believe that if you see a suspicious person walking in your neighborhood, you call police, check to see where he went, go back to your car, he attacks you, pins you to the ground & beats your head into concrete, you have no right to defend yourself? What if that same suspicious character was toked, had been picked up with burglar tools & stolen jewelry & turned and attacked you instead of walking home?
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What is sad that 28% of the people still cant see that the correct verdict was reached in this case. Fools. The fight SELyon was started by Martin all evidence shows that. Being followed by someone isn't grounds to physically attack them. Lesson being for future wanna be punk *** gangsta thugs, be careful who you physically assault they might have a bigger punch. No winners here but still the absolutely correct verdict.
Please cooldan, describe a suspicious person. White, Black, young, old, tall, short, help us out. Is it just anyone walking along the sidewalk eating skittles? How about if a person follows you around in their car, is that suspicious? When is Treyvon allowed to defend himself?
"Being followed by someone isn't grounds to physically attack them." Walking down a sidewalk eating skittles is not grounds to be followed, or shot for that matter.. Kaptains lesson is that Treyvon should have shot Zimmerman before "punk *** gangsta thug" Zimmerman could shoot him. Great advice Kaptain.
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So tell me, Cooldan, how did Zimmerman know anything about Martin's history? If some stranger approached you in the dark and started hassling you about what you're doing you wouldn't perceive that as a threat? By Florida's own goofy law Martin was "standing his ground" and not backing down from a threat. Bottom line is that Zimmerman ignored Neighborhood Watch procedures, ignored the 911 dispatcher, and decided the play cop because he was afraid the "f...ing punk" would get away. If he had stayed in his truck Martin would still be alive and Zimmerman wouldn't be screwed for life. Maybe Martin knew that Zimmerman was a wannabe with a history of violence?
I don't know enough about the legalities and didn't watch enough testimony to pretend I know if the verdict was correct. I do know there is nothing about the situation that is good. I also know there is nothing good about the low information commentators locally and nationally trying to spin this to their benefit.
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Had Trayvon Martin been charged as an adult in his previous crimes, he'd be safely in prison now.
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Let me see if I can put this in terms that people can understand. Based on the verdict, at least in Florida, you can get away with murder as long as you claim that the person you killed had you fearing for your life just prior to you killing them. Based on the poll it looks like you could get away with it here, too.
In other news, a Florida woman was sentenced to 20 years for firing a gun in the air to stop her abusive husband from attacking her. She also used Florida's stand-your-ground law has her defense, but the jury didn't agree. Of course there are differences between her case and the Zimmerman case; she didn't kill her assailant, and she's black.
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Hartman you ask "When is Trayvon allowed to defend himself?" He was the aggressor his actions directly put him in harms way. If he had not sucker punched Zimmerman breaking his nose and then pummeled Mr. Zimmerman's head into the concrete he would not be dead. Kinda hard to scream self defense when you start the fight. Mr. Martin fancied himself a tough guy, a MMA wannabe, and his school records that the prosecution tried so hard to suppress confirm just that. You say eating skittles is not a reason to be followed in most circumstances I would agree. But this neighborhood had had an ongoing problem with burglaries perpetrated by young black men. He was a stranger that draws suspicion. I'm not saying that Zimmermans actions were flawless, he should have confronted Mr. Martin from inside his vehicle found out his intentions and this would have ended peacefully. The escalation to violence lies directly with Trayvons actions and are directly linked to the lifestyle he chose to e
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In 2005, Zimmerman was arrested for domestic abuse resulting in a restraining order, resisting arrest and resisting an officer with violence, a felony. The felony was reduced after Zimmerman sought treatment for alcohol abuse. Why was Zimmerman allowed to own a gun? Zimmerman followed Treyvon for several blocks while making 6 calls to 911 the night he killed Treyvon. Zimmerman was instructed to STOP following Treyvon and STAY in his vehicle. Investigators said Zimmerman’s confrontation with Treyvon COULD have been avoided IF he had remained in his vehicle. Zimmerman CONFRONTED Treyvon – yet Treyvon is the aggressor? You were absolutely correct when you stated, “he (Zimmerman) should have confronted Mr. Martin from inside his vehicle found out his intentions and this would have ended peacefully.” The escalation of violence was brought about by Zimmerman – Treyvon simply responded. IMO, Zimmerman is a coward. He only confronted Treyvon because he had a gun.
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“Had Trayvon Martin been charged as an adult in his previous crimes, he'd be safely in prison now.”
Had George Zimmerman’s arrest on a felony charge of assaulting an officer with violence in 2005 not been reduced, he'd be safely in prison and never allowed to legally own a gun. By the way, Zimmermans dad is a retired Judge but I’m sure that fact had nothing to do with the felony charge being reduced. It's probably just a coincidence, right sumyounguy?
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Zimmerman was the victim here. He had the broken nose, black eyes and cuts on the back of his head. Martin's death although tragic was brought on by his own aggression. Following someone in most cases is not criminal and not cause to attack the follower. This situation is being slanted by a racist administration and attorney general. Having lived in the Sanford area a number of years this type of incident is not surprising and would have faded away a long time ago if both individuals had been the same race. The police got it right after the incident, the jury got it right. Let it go.
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I agree. Let it go. But it seems here, as in the mainstream media, that Zimmermann must be regarded as a racist white guy attacking a poor little innocent black kid. Newsflash! Zimmermann is latino! But the incessant racist blather doesn't fly unless it's white against black. To heck with the racial actualities. The argument is absurd. The jury heard the case and decided accordingly. Hartmann, SELyon, you were not part of that jury, so what the heck is stuck in your craw?
I wonder how many people commenting were in the courtroom listening to every word? If not which news channel were you watching? Did you catch Jesse Jacksons or Holdens comments? They all seemed unbiased and fair didn't they? Oh by the way did you hear about the young mother and baby that were shot by black kids because they didn't have any money to give them? Once again it all depends on your unbiased news source. Time to face facts Next time don't have common sense people on the jury when trying to railroad someone because of race.
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I dont care what shade of skin they had. We all bleed red. Something went terribly wrong that day between two individuals and lives were ruined on both sides. There was reasonable doubt about what happened which requires an acquittal.
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There is no reasonable doubt that Treyvon was simply returning home from a trip to a convenience store. There is no reasonable doubt that Zimmerman followed Treyvon and considered him suspicious even though Zimmerman described Treyvon as "just walking around looking about". There is no reasonable doubt that Zimmerman shot an innocent teenager. So what reasonable doubt do you have that justifies Zimmerman serving no jail time, icareaboutus? I understand this was all a terrible mistake. Treyvon paid for his mistake with his life; Zimmerman SHOULD be held accountable for HIS actions.
“Once again it all depends on your unbiased news source. Time to face facts Next time don't have common sense people on the jury when trying to railroad someone because of race.” Congratulations rona, you went from making little sense to making no sense.
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Race was not an issue at the trial and not mentioned by others in this forum UNTIL Bleeder, Scout and rona tried to make it an issue. It serves as a great diversion from their weak arguments supporting Zimmerman’s senseless killing of Treyvon.
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Race not an issue hartmann? Then define Holder's, Sharpton's, and Rangel's take on the case. Explain NBC's editing tapes to make it a race only issue. The FBI, looking to find the tiniest shred of evidence to make Zimmermann a racist, found no such indication. Mainstream Media literally changed Zimmermann's race from latino to white in their overall coverage, because they want so bad for it to be about persecution by whites. It's not about race hartmann? Really?
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Hartman 75 get a clue. Rona45 makes perfect sense. And while race may not have been brought up on this forum earlier do you think we would have seen Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder and Mr. Obama make their statements if Martin had been Hispanic ??? If you don't think the president and attorney general of this country making public statements was an issue at the trial you are clueless. As far as Martin being totally innocent, you better look at Zimmerman's injuries.
Hartman you always seem to be the expert at everything. Unless you were at the trial you are speculating. You also discount the police investigation that showed self defense. You seen to think breaking someones nose and then pounding their head on the cement sidewalk trying to kill is a minor event. If Martin could have killed Zimmerman you can be sure he would have ran away and bragged to his buddies. Martin owned up to what he did.
Zimmerman was the victim? Look up the meaning of the word or stop watching Fox news. In his own words, Zimmerman passed judgment on a black teen, Trayvon, who was 21 days past his 17th birthday for NO other reason than the fact Trayvon was “walking around” AND he was black. Whether black, white, green or red, NO ONE should not be gunned down for simply walking down the street. Those are the facts. There were no eyewitnesses to the actual confrontation - all we have is Zimmerman's version of events. What do you think Trayvon was feeling while being followed by some strange guy in a vehicle? Even after Trayvon ran Zimmerman followed. Trayvon’s story would likely have been much different. Did race play a role in any of this? Are you guys (Bleeding, Scout, rona) actually silly enough to believe that had Trayvon gunned down Zimmerman, he would have been set free based on a claim of self defense? Why do you believe Trayvon had no right to defend himself?
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"If I had a son he would look just like me"
That is where the racial hatred started and is condoned by Obama. Of course he conveniently forgets about all the murders in Chicago, and his no where near the danger zones in that city.
He never lets fact get in the way of his pronouncements. Just like Hartman and SEL.
The entire trial, including testimony by the witnesses, and a walk through by Zimmerman himself, is available online. I suggest anyone who believes Martin was "an innocent, young boy" and Zimmerman is "a lying, racist coward" watch the trial, including the proffer testimony of Richard Conner, and disabuse themselves of those falsehoods.
You seem to miss the facts Hartman. Martin would have had the right to defend himself, but he was the attacker. If he was so innocent why didn't he run home or maybe call the police ??? So if you are following me I have the right to defend myself ?? From what ?
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